Here's a chatlog of a discussion I had with a guy on #mensa. He's got all the right ideas, but he's taken them way to the extreme. Eventually I'll turn it into a nice doucment for people who've become brainwashed by the radicals.

(I'm epin8r )

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<Gilmore^> mensa, that's the holy land for islam correct?
<Gilmore^> no thats mecca
<Gilmore^> der
<Gilmore^> wtf is mensa
<GOUT> it's a support group for homosexual men recovering from freon addiction
<Timeless> hahaha
<Gilmore^> well i came to the right place then
<Gilmore^> so Gout
<GOUT> Gilmore^, mensa is really an organization comprized of due-paying members, all of whom have IQ's in the top 2 percentile.
<Gilmore^> how are we gonna stop the government from decimating 80% of the world's population
<Gilmore^> my iq is somewhere between 144 and 160
<Gilmore^> probably not the top 2%
<panblanco> probably not
<Gilmore^> i'm dumb enough to have a social life
<Gilmore^> but not much of one :P
<GOUT> Gilmore^, http://0-o.ath.cx/bell.jpg
<panblanco> nice one Gilmore^
<GOUT> I don't know the answer to your question, btw
<Gilmore^> i cant decide if i wanna put my money into hard silver and go on the lamb when they come
<Gilmore^> or if i wanna let them draft me and work from the inside
<epin8r> Gilmore^: personally, i don't think the government is really the problem. it's the wealthy ruling class which has the power to corrupt the government and bends it to its will.
<Gilmore^> that is a distinction that needs to be made
<epin8r> the idea of government has been so tainted over the years that people blame it itself.
<Gilmore^> but when i say government, i mean the people within it
<epin8r> ah, yes.
<epin8r> most of the good ones in government left because it was to full of bad ones. :)
<epin8r> (so i've heard)
<Gilmore^> people with the money have the powre
<Gilmore^> and they are evil
<Gilmore^> and put puppets in place
<GOUT> people with the money and the power are currently Saudi Arabians
<Gilmore^> wrong
<epin8r> anyone who wants to be a politician and put up with all the corruption and evil HAS to be doing it for the money they reap from corruption of the power it gives you, because their salaries are hardly anything.
<Gilmore^> our national debt is what, an insane amount
<GOUT> if they withdraw all they currently have invested in our nation, our stock market would collapse instantly
<Gilmore^> who do we owe that to?
<GOUT> that's paramount to having us at gunpoint
<Gilmore^> there is a global bank
<Gilmore^> owned by european bankers
<epin8r> acutally, you know... evil is a really bad word to use.
<Gilmore^> they own the federal reserve
<epin8r> it's so polarizing and stupid.
<Gilmore^> we get federal reserve NOTES
<epin8r> it's incredibly easy to say you're an idiot because, it's such an easy generalization to prove wrong.
<epin8r> like, find ONE good thing that some corrupt politician did, and everything you've said can be deemed fallacious. :)
<Gilmore^> these people with the power are evil though
<Gilmore^> im not talking about politicians
<epin8r> well, define evil.
<Gilmore^> i'm talking about people who pull the strings
<epin8r> evil is a term that lots of people bandy-about willy-nilly. :)
<Gilmore^> evil = people who are sworn to lucifer, and planning to kill 80% of the world's population and enslaving the rest because they are just rich enough to do it
<epin8r> hahah
<epin8r> ok
<epin8r> see, that's a good distinction to make.
<Gilmore^> bush and kerry are both skull and bones members
<epin8r> anyhow, i guess we all know about the problem.
<epin8r> people are brainwashed.
<epin8r> haha.. yeah. the two-party monopoly.
<Gilmore^> the media is controlled by the same people who own the banks
<Gilmore^> they own everything
<Gilmore^> school text book companies
<Gilmore^> they run the shit.
<epin8r> yes sir.
<GOUT> can't we just figure out a happy medium between capitalism and socialism?
<Gilmore^> you believe what they tell you
<epin8r> well, not controlled... but it has the same interests.
<GOUT> seems either in its pure form will not work
<Gilmore^> capitalism works when its not tainted by nazis
<epin8r> they're not all in it to be evil. they're all in it because it's a self-supporting system, and they all get incredibly rich from it.
<GOUT> nazis are unavoidable
<Gilmore^> money is power, we cant stop them without money
<epin8r> right.
<Gilmore^> it would seem unavoidable
<GOUT> money is options, access is power
<Gilmore^> these people are richer than bill gates, they have generational wealth
<epin8r> it's a good thing that, in terms of resources, we (the people) are the big hump in the middle: http://0-o.ath.cx/bell.jpg
<epin8r> :D
<epin8r> we just have to HARNESS the power of all those people.
<Gilmore^> people with multigenerational wealth are excluded from the list of wealthy people
<Gilmore^> but there are supposedly 13 families banding together to form all this money
<epin8r> wow
<Gilmore^> rockefeller for one.. who had $1.5 billion back in the 1930's, during the great depression
<Gilmore^> and then invested it in aviation
<epin8r> where'd you hear about the 13-family trust-fund?
<Gilmore^> a number of different places where i was researching the illuminati
<epin8r> ah
<epin8r> that's another term you shouldn't bandy about.
<epin8r> evil, and illuminati. :)
<Gilmore^> it is a myth
<epin8r> just stick to the real.
<Gilmore^> and yet, a difficult one to ignore
<Gilmore^> when you look at what is real
<epin8r> I prefer to call it, THE PENTAVERATE.
<Gilmore^> someone is taking away american rights systematicaly in the name of anti terrorism
<epin8r> IT HAS FOUR MEMBERS
<epin8r> THE SULTAN OF BRUNEI
<epin8r> THE QUEEN
<epin8r> COLONEL SANDERS
<Gilmore^> and these terrorist attacks, have been proven to be government planned
<Gilmore^> orchestrated
<Gilmore^> and executed
<epin8r> ...
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<Gilmore^> and they spout terror warnings every other day
<epin8r> Timeless: what? that bit was hilarious when mike meyers did it!
<Gilmore^> FEAR
<epin8r> Gilmore^: yeah.
<Gilmore^> is the mind killer
<epin8r> you don't need to tell us about that.
<MacHeath> Gilmore, take these tablets and come and see me in again in a month
<Timeless> i know epin8r
<Timeless> i found it funny
<GOUT> well, the terror attacks benefitted the US, but there is little evidence to support the theory that the US itself orchestrated them
<Gilmore^> it benefited the US GOVERNMENT
<Gilmore^> not the people!
<GOUT> yes, thanks
<epin8r> Gilmore^: at this point, if anybody doesn't know that the whole terrorism thing is a power-play, they have a serious character flaw.
<GOUT> you knew what i meant
<GOUT> hee
<Gilmore^> the government has declared war on us!
<Gilmore^> we are all going to be considered terrorists
<Gilmore^> if we eventually dont give up our guns, and take the microchip
<epin8r> Gilmore^... slow down, dude.
<epin8r> :)
<Gilmore^> they're already putting the chip in senators, prisoners
<Gilmore^> for access to things
<Gilmore^> they'll require it soon enough
<epin8r> yes.
<epin8r> ok.
<epin8r> stop
<epin8r> :)
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<epin8r> hahah, *I* get kicked.
<MacHeath> There are a few facts that nobody denies.  Iraq had "biological weapons of mass destruction".  We know that becuase the US supplied them.
<Gilmore^> i construct my thoughts all at once instead of taking up extra lines
<Gilmore^> ;)
<MacHeath> They supplied them for use against Iraq, because Iraq was the perceived threat.  
<epin8r> you're also going on and on and on in a rant that we've ALL heard before.
<Gilmore^> now they're pointing at iran
<epin8r> it's all true.
<MacHeath> Also, the US wanted to know the effects.
<epin8r> so the question is, what can we do about it?
<Gilmore^> im glad to find some people who believe that
<Gilmore^> the best answer i have come up with is educate as many people as you can
<Gilmore^> but it's difficult because some people don't trust the internet
<epin8r> hmm...
<Gilmore^> and you wont find proof anywhere else
<MacHeath> Unfortunately,  at least one of these weapons was exploded over US forces in the Gulf War.
<epin8r> yeah, i think that's true as well.
<MacHeath> Hence Gulf War Syndrome
<epin8r> I think if you made a really awesome documentary, like super-size me, with a positive message of hope and awesomeness of the power of humans...
<Gilmore^> have you seen alex jones movies?
<epin8r> and really great graphics that let you visuzalize the staistics they're talking about, also like super-size me...
<Gilmore^> they have a lot of great stuff in them but they take it to the extreme and it turns off a lot of people
<epin8r> and you somehow snuck it out without rich-people noticing...
<Gilmore^> hard to tell where you draw the line..
<epin8r> you could do a LOT of damage.
<MacHeath> So the US didn't know whether Iraq had any left.  The prevailing opinion was that Iraq still had more weapons
<epin8r> Gilmore^: yeah, a lot of movies are stupid. now stop talking for 3 seconds :)
<Gilmore^> the cia gave them false info on purpose
<Gilmore^> and they knew it, so they could take iraq
<Gilmore^> blame intelligence, create some MORE federal agencies
<Gilmore^> and people will be so happy when the UN comes in to save us
<MacHeath> Maybe they did.  The US can't find any now, but after 9/11 the US realised that one of these weapons could be used against the US.  
<MacHeath> etc
<epin8r> haha
<Gilmore^> but this isn't about iraq
<Gilmore^> this is about planned terrorist attacks being used to control the population
<epin8r> do you guys realize that while you're quibbling about the details of what these people have done, they're plotting their NEXT STRATEGIC MOVES?
<epin8r> you're going to always be behind if you're always looking at what they've DONE
<Gilmore^> what the hell can we do
<epin8r> you have to plan YOUR next move.
<epin8r> EXACTLY
<Gilmore^> go buy silver :P
<epin8r> we should be talking about that.
<epin8r> that would be interesting, talking about what to do. :)
<epin8r> it's creative, it's productive...
<Gilmore^> drain your bank account, put it into silver, which is highly undervalued compared to gold
<epin8r> it's not going to bore me to tears..
<Gilmore^> as well as it has many practical uses
<epin8r> really?
<Gilmore^> yes
<epin8r> that's cool..
<epin8r> yeah, you're right...
<epin8r> silver has a million uses.
<Gilmore^> when we go to a cashless society
<Gilmore^> they might steal our imaginary money from the bank that is owned by internaional bankers anyway
<epin8r> actually, we can go to a cashless society if we have the technology and labour to support ourselves.
<Gilmore^> so put it into something valuable before we get fucked
<epin8r> that's what they do in argentina.
<Gilmore^> hey gloriaea
<epin8r> yeah... hmm... how much silver is there to buy up though?
<epin8r> it's only undervalued if EVERYBODY isn't buying silver. :)
<Gilmore^> there are silver dealers
<Gilmore^> everyone is buying gold
<Gilmore^> the gold/silver ratio is very lopsided compared to history
<epin8r> like, when you say "before we get fucked", who's we?
<Gilmore^> the entire world
<epin8r> yeah
<epin8r> if the entire world bought silver
<epin8r> then gold would be cheap :)
<Gilmore^> but how many people know about this
<Gilmore^> how many people can you even get to consider it
<Gilmore^> we are a minority
<epin8r> ok, so "we" isn't the entire world.
<epin8r> yes indeed.
<Gilmore^> the entire world is gonna get fucked though
<epin8r> pretty much, yeah.
<epin8r> although, you have to remember...
<epin8r> as soon as people realize they're being fucked...
<epin8r> they'll get pissed off.
<Gilmore^> so buy silver, educate anyone you can without making them think you're nutty, which can prove difficult
<GOUT> they start looting
<epin8r> and the people are where the power comes from.
<epin8r> when you lose control, you lose your power.
<Gilmore^> but what do you do when they come to your door
<epin8r> so they can't fuck too hard!
<epin8r> it's the lesson of history -- fuck too hard, and you lose it all.
<Gilmore^> or if they draft you
<GOUT> heh
<GOUT> power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely
<Gilmore^> no militia could stand against our military
<Gilmore^> they have sound guns that can make an entire crowd of people nauseated and black out
<epin8r> all generalizations are false, including this one.
<epin8r> :D
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<epin8r> Gilmore^: yes, but who is the military?
<epin8r> PEOPLE
<epin8r> think about it.
<Gilmore^> yes, brainwashed people
<epin8r> if they fuck us SO HARD...
<epin8r> the military are going to revolt.
<Gilmore^> primarily poverty stricken people who joined the military at a young impressionable age
<epin8r> you have to be clever with your fucking.
<epin8r> you have to make it believable.
<Gilmore^> here's how its gonna go down
<epin8r> i mean, the military are brainwashed, but there are smart people within their ranks.
<Gilmore^> they do another terrorist attack, a worse one
<epin8r> hahah..
<epin8r> dude..
<Gilmore^> declare red alert, martial law
<epin8r> i don't wanna hear it
<epin8r> I know what could happen.
<Gilmore^> go door to door looking for terrorists
<Gilmore^> disarming people
<Gilmore^> sending all terrorists to camps, and we will easily be labeled terrorists believe me
<epin8r> man, that's not going to happen.
<epin8r> if they even tried that, they'd get SOO shafted out of office.
<epin8r> you have a very skewed idea of what people will stand for.
<Gilmore^> who's gonna stop them
<epin8r> EVERYBODY
<epin8r> you have to do it slowly.
<Gilmore^> i hope you dont mean all the new illegal aliens given amnesty
<epin8r> ...
<GOUT> uh
<Gilmore^> they could give a fuck
<epin8r> i think you need to temper your ideas, sir.
<epin8r> they are molten.
<Gilmore^> the media will report that everything is ok
<Gilmore^> people will go along with it cause they are sheep
<Gilmore^> ppl who dont will be carted off
<epin8r> BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT SO FAST
<epin8r> YOU HAVE TO DO IT SLOWLY
<Gilmore^> i give it 6 months to a year
<epin8r> Also, i don't know if you noticed... but the bad things are coming out.
<epin8r> why do you think YOU know about all these bad things?
<epin8r> it's a SOCIAL MOVEMENT.
<Gilmore^> good
<epin8r> you're not some kind of special elite guy who went around and searched thoough people's desks
<epin8r> you got this information from OTHER PEOPLE
<Gilmore^> on the internet
<epin8r> and many other people did as well.
<Gilmore^> everyone i've talked to irl looked at me like a nut
<epin8r> and people are learning.
<Gilmore^> the internet community is learning
<Gilmore^> nobody else is
<epin8r> well, you are kinda a nut. :)
<Gilmore^> the rest of them eat what cnn and fox news feeds them
<epin8r> you're wayyyy to extreme
<epin8r> what you're saying is true, but you're not tempering it with reality.
<epin8r> (is FUNDAMENTALLY true)
<Gilmore^> why else would they be taking our rights
<GOUT> the part about computer chip implants was true?!?
<Gilmore^> we are repeating nazi germany
<Gilmore^> it is true gout
* GOUT panics
<epin8r> GOUT: haha.. fundamentally :)
<epin8r> GOUT: some spanish minister guy got a chip recently
<epin8r> they're big over there
<epin8r> you can get them to not have to pay for drinks in bars
<epin8r> it charges them to your account automatically
<GOUT> weirdness
<Gilmore^> i have a 60 minutes clip
<epin8r> Gilmore^: to be honest, you are also guilty of being brainwashed. :)
<epin8r> you've been brainwashed by radicals!
<epin8r> you need to be balanced.
<Gilmore^> where andy rooney says "we need some way to tell apart the good guys from the bad guys, I wouldnt mind taking some sort of microchip. Cause If i cant fly to the Giants game then the bastards have won"
<MacHeath> Some people's brains need washing.  
<epin8r> yeah.
<Gilmore^> the microchip will be the tool of the cashless society
<Gilmore^> and the mark of the beast
<MacHeath> ASll you need is a brain-washing-machine.  Sears sell them for about $200
<Gilmore^> i wont accept it
<epin8r> most people are insane. they don't live in reality -- they live in constructed artificial symbolic universes instead of experiencing the world around them objectively. everything they see has to be placed into their symbolic framework.
<epin8r> and by they, i mean us.
<MacHeath> That's just about everybody, then
<epin8r> we.
<epin8r> i think it would do people a ton of good to realize that. :)
<Gilmore^> interesting
<epin8r> education!
<epin8r> everybody should take a class on Alan Watts at school. :)
<MacHeath> Reality is only a symptom of alcohol deficiency, anyway
<epin8r> hahah
<Gilmore^> but still man, microchips
<Gilmore^> thats crazy
<epin8r> not realy.
<Gilmore^> and they plugged it on 60 minutes
<Gilmore^> thats not freedom!
<epin8r> it's a little thing the size of a grain of rice you put in your arm.
<epin8r> see, think about the good things you get from it
<Gilmore^> this is population control
<epin8r> 1) convenience
<MacHeath> I have a microfish and microchip shop.  They saisd "Start Small".  
<Gilmore^> i have thought about it
<Gilmore^> and i refuse to accept it
<epin8r> ok, there's 1 good thing :)
<epin8r> yeah, i know..
<epin8r> without a proper society with legal constraints on its EVILNESS, it's not going to work
<Gilmore^> they're getting there
<epin8r> but you should temper your opinions properly
<epin8r> see...
<epin8r> that's the thing.
<Gilmore^> more quickly every year
<epin8r> you're SOOO NEGATIVE :)
<Gilmore^> cause its inevitable
<epin8r> stop it
<epin8r> :)
<epin8r> ok, i'm done with you.
<epin8r> i'm going to go do some work.,
<Gilmore^> i told you what i planned to do
<Gilmore^> give me a better idea if you have one
<Amenra> seems to be rewritting history once again
<epin8r> sorry?
<MacHeath> Nobody is evil.  Except Emperor Ming
<Amenra> seems to be rewriting history once again
<MacHeath> ||Ming the Merciless
<Gilmore^> you just rewrote the history of 10 seconds ago
<epin8r> Gilmore^: tell me your idea again, i must've lost it in the flood.
<Gilmore^> buy silver
<Gilmore^> eduate the masses
<epin8r> hahah
<GOUT> fff
<epin8r> yes, educating is good.
<epin8r> silver is a really really tenuous solution
<Gilmore^> when we have no money it will be priceless
<Gilmore^> and those with it will emerge as power players among the people
<epin8r> when we have no money, our ACTION will be our resources.
<Gilmore^> to stand against the tyranny
<epin8r> dude, people have made new economies within existing ones.
<epin8r> have you seen what they did in argenitna?
<Gilmore^> no
<epin8r> exactly.
<Gilmore^> explain
<epin8r> you're SOOO DOOM AND GLOOM :)
<epin8r> you gotta learn more about the world.
<epin8r> about the regular people.
<Gilmore^> i had a dream about a plane crash last night
<Gilmore^> and i saw one on tv today
<Gilmore^> in ft. lauderdale
<Gilmore^> the night before, i dreamt about a bomb at an airport, and there were missles coming for us all
<Gilmore^> last week, i dreamt there was a man who had all his skin replaced with a metallic substance, and became the first cyborg
<epin8r> in argentina (and they've done this in other countries too) they just basically got together as a community and created their own currency which could be exchanged for any products or services that people participating were offering... and it grew huge, because their native currency was totally broken.
<Gilmore^> these are NOT things I think about specifically
<epin8r> it's now more useful to regular people than native currency.
<epin8r> and you can even exchange it for US dollars.
* GOUT moves to argentina
<Gilmore^> thats cool
<epin8r> GOUT: ahah, no dood. it's still pretty messed up there.
<GOUT> oh well
<Gilmore^> but man, silver is shiny
<Gilmore^> i wouldnt give you any silver for your damn rocks
<epin8r> Gilmore^: anyhow, people will think you're nuts if you bang them over the head with your untempered ideas like that.
<epin8r> be moderate.
<epin8r> people respond better to a gentle breeze than a monsoon
<MacHeath> It's not difficult to invent your own currency.  What is difficult is getting MacDonalds to let you buy a hamburger with it
<Gilmore^> man im hungry
<GOUT> see... thing about everybody buying silver is, if everybody takes all their money out of the bank and converts to frozen assets, what effect will this have on the stock market?
<epin8r> MacHeath: well, you can exchange it for US$, right? :)
<Gilmore^> i dont care, i dont play the stock market
<epin8r> GOUT: an awesome one? :)
<epin8r> i'd like to see the stock market die completely, and people have to reinvent things.
<epin8r> the stock market is such a huge scam.
<Gilmore^> and thats not going to happen anyway, by the time anyone actually wants to get silver their money will be gone
<epin8r> lawerin', stock brokerin', and medicinin' are all rackets.
<Pananoid> fuck you fucking fucks
<Gilmore^> its just gambling
<Gilmore^> people are addicted to it
<Gilmore^> and it will fuck them
<MacHeath> All professions are a conspiracy against the layman (George Bernard Shaw)
<epin8r> silver -- tenuous. i stand by that.
<Gilmore^> especially Pananoid
<epin8r> :)
<epin8r> the real power is in the people.
<epin8r> people don't realize that.
<epin8r> that's what would be nice to teach them.
<epin8r> it's taken a long time to make people think they're as impotent as they think they are.
<Pananoid> then quit whining and teach them
<epin8r> i try! :)
<Pananoid> how?
<GOUT> he is
<epin8r> i'm not whining either, you dork. read the scrollback.
* epin8r slaps Pananoid 
<Gilmore^> i talk with people in my immediate life about it
<epin8r> there's like 10 pages of it
<Gilmore^> but nobody believes in the nwo
<Pananoid> it would be a waste of my time to read the scroll 
<MacHeath> Oh, you have an immediate life? What a surprise!
<Pananoid> every time I looked up and saw your text, you were whining
<epin8r> Gilmore^: that's because you're coming from another universe. :)
<Gilmore^> its a good one
<epin8r> your ideas are from outer space.
<Gilmore^> i like it here
<epin8r> hahaha
<epin8r> whatever.
<Gilmore^> 4th dimensional aliens are controlling the nwo :P
<Gilmore^> they are lizard people that live on mt. rainier
<epin8r> Pananoid: ok, whatever.
<GOUT> yeeeah
<Gilmore^> and they're afraid of brass
<epin8r> I like gout.
<Pananoid> chanes are you whine to people in your immediate life
<Gilmore^> so brass would be a better buy than silver
<GOUT> :)
<Pananoid> chances
<epin8r> he's nice and terse, and rational. :)
<epin8r> (or she?)
<Gilmore^> so suck his dick
<GOUT> i try (he)
<Gilmore^> since you like him so much
<Pananoid> so if people don't appreciate your whining, they are irrational?
<epin8r> kewl.
<GOUT> Gilmore^ be nice
<epin8r> i'm "whining" because they're irrational.
<Gilmore^> hehehe
<epin8r> turd.
<epin8r> you don't remember me, do you? :)
<Gilmore^> sorry i've been up for 20 hours
<Gilmore^> i need to go to bed
<Gilmore^> are you talking to me e?
* arryana sits next to epi
<epin8r> no, Pananoid 
<Gilmore^> okay good cause i dont remembre :P
<Gilmore^> goin to bed, seeya
<epin8r> nite :)
<Gilmore^> to the legend of zelda theme music
<Pananoid> they need to come up with a word for people that always claim to be the exception in every case in which they are complaining about everyone else
<epin8r> --- [Gilmore^] #mensa #atheism #Subgenius @#coverups #3.14159265358979 #dos +#dreams @#dreamscape #illuminati @#intelligence +#newworldorder #security #Theology 
<epin8r> haha.. dood, you should join some fun channels :)
<Gilmore^> i'm in #uno
<epin8r> ah. ok
<epin8r> good work.
<epin8r> ^_^
<Gilmore^> beats the hell out of trivia
<epin8r> oh yeah?
<Gilmore^> in fact i'm gonna play a quick one
<Pananoid> #uno might be kind of neat
<Pananoid> my parents never allowed me to play games growing up
<MacHeath> I expect you found something to play with
<GOUT> not even hungry hungry hippos?
<Gilmore^> that game was tight
<Pananoid> MacHeath, I am very good at it 
<MacHeath> Practice makes perfect
<Pananoid> hahhah
<Pananoid> someone talk to get the focus off my awkward laughter
<Rjx> practice makes perfect
<Rjx> and nobody's perfect
<Rjx> why practice?